Healthy Church Podcast

The first two episodes of our new podcast is out.  We are praying that it will be an encouragement to you and your church.  We do not have all the answers but we do have a lot of years of experience and figured out a couple of things not to do.  The heart of this came out of a burden for pastors and church leaders with a desire to provide a place where you can know you are loved and someone does care.  Lance Witt in Replenish says, “Inadvertently we have marginalized the soul side of leadership.”  Bill Wellons in What Really Matters would agree with this focus.

Lance Witt shares these alarming statistics,  “1,500 pastors leave the ministry permanently each month in America.  80% of pastors and 85% of their spouses feel discouraged in their roles.  70% of pastors do not have a close friend, confidant, or mentor.  Over 50% of pastors are so discouraged they would leave the ministry if they could but have no other way of making a living.  Over 50% of pastors’ wives feel that their husband entering the ministry was the most destructive thing to ever happen to their families.  71% of pastors say they are burned out.”

There is more from the Barna Group, Lifeway Research and others but the point is that if you are in ministry you have a target on your back and you are in trouble.  The struggle and battle is real and the spiritual warfare involved is often greatly underestimated.  Difficulties in ministry are not just temporal issues. Like an iceberg, 90% of the spiritual battle is invisible.  Never forget that the evil one hates what you are doing and will do anything and everything he can get away with to stop you.  Don’t be alarmed by the challenges you are facing, they are natural.

The attack of spiritual warfare is real but the enemy will not stop there.  He will use loneliness, isolation, family pressures, financial stress, and unrealistic expectation, along with leadership and people challenges.  Once the wear and tear of the struggle begins to overwhelm you where can you go?  Who can you turn to?  Hopefully, you have many options such as friends, pastors, mentors, etc. but our prayer is that this could be a resource for you to know there are no perfect leaders.  Maybe we can find some answers as we journey this ministry path together.

You can find us at or download the podcast through iTunes or your favorite podcast provider. Our website states, “The Healthy Church Podcast is an honest conversation about what it means to be a part of a healthy church. There are no perfect churches – because they’re all filled with imperfect people led by imperfect leaders.  But by God’s grace we can begin to dialogue about what changes can be made in our lives as leaders, and in the churches we serve, in order to better love God and His people.”

The podcast will be released on the 2nd and 4th Tuesday of every month with Drew Cline and I serving and your hosts.  Between Drew and I we have over 70 years of ministry experience or maybe we should say ministry mistakes.  Either way we want to help if we can.  Our backgrounds are quite similar yet very unique.  All I ever wanted to do was pastor and began when I was 21 years old.  Yes, way too young but I knew I didn’t need college anymore (sarcasm) because of how brilliant I already was so I headed to my first pastorate without a clue.

Drew’s path led him to minister more in the area of music and creative arts.  He was the lead singer for NewSong, recorded a couple of solo albums, and led the worship teams for Fellowship Bible in Little Rock.  Recently, he was led back to his home church where he grew up, Temple Baptist Church, Little Rock, AR.  Over the last three years he has walked this church through a major replant process as South City.  He has great insights in these areas and is ready, as I am, to not just talk about what went well but where did we struggle.

Church health begins with healthy church leaders and that means every leader’s first priority is to make sure they are spiritually healthy.  Your ability as a leader must come out of your being not just your doing.  You as a leader cannot give what you do not possess.  You can never expect your church to be any healthier than you are.  Our prayer is that you will lead out of a healthy soul as you walk with the Lord and allow Him to do His transforming work in your heart and life.  Join us on the podcast and let us know any other way we can be a help and blessing to you!

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